Recently Arne Hansen of the Bellingen Shire NBN Group interviewed Rob Oakeshott on the future of the NBN and what he would do if elected at the forthcoming Federal Election on May 18.
Arne: Welcome to the Bellingen markets today Rob.
Rob: Thank you.
Arne: We’re just here talking about the NBN today, and I guess more broadly what’s happening in your electorate with the NBN.
Rob: And across the country.
Arne: I think we have a small sample here of what happened in many, many regional towns across Australia.
Rob: Look, so the broad comment is for Australia, we could be living in the ex-urban generation, with fiber to the premise not just on homes but hospitals, schools, businesses and this could be a really exciting opportunity for a country of Australia’s landscape, at essentially the bottom of the world. This would have been a brilliant policy change that would have addressed most policy problems that the country currently faces. We wouldn’t have had to do too much else if we had done this right.
I think it’s devastating that we’re involved in what is the biggest double handling exercise in Australian policy history. It’s changed from fibre the premise to a mixed model, which in itself is in recognition that at some point in the future we will go to fibre to the premises. So even the liberal and national party who chopped and changed this acknowledge that fiber to the premise will happen at some point in the future.
My view, after six years of being out of politics is: What the hell went wrong? How can we urgently fix this so that we get fiber to the premise to as many homes as possible? That’s a that’s a national not just a Bellingen comment.
As far as the local region I think our landscape is really challenging once you get west of the Pacific Highway. This is where it becomes technology difficult with the hills and valleys. I acknowledge there are challenges in building design, but that’s a reason to give it more attention not less attention. There has been a walk away from the National Broadband Network communications providers generally and I think that is damaging to our region.
You bring that down another level to Bellingen in particular. It is a symbol of all of that – where it is a vibrant and high energy community at the best of times. Normally it could be leading Australia and in many cases leading the world if it was given the opportunity to engage with Australia and engage with the world. From my point of view that is what I want to do is with the local community, with groups like the NBN Action Group, with the various businesses who I’ve talked to or want to talk to about how frustrated they are, and the missed opportunities that they can see by not being connected.
So ideally more fibre into the premise. If there’s got to be some sort of short-term compromise, well let’s get as much fibre to the curb as possible and let’s minimise this fixed wireless nightmare, sky muster and any other so-called mixed model technologies which just aren’t working.
Arne: Do you have a view on the ALP policy of moving away from fibre to the premises to fibre to the curb?
Rob: That’s disappointing. I think they’re trying to get through an election without creating controversy, but I would hope they re-look at that. The logic of their original position was good, particularly with a rate of return on investment and getting rid of all the copper out of the network. Essentially that’s what we’re doing. We are rewiring Australia with modern technology – the equivalent of what nearly a hundred years ago we did with copper. That’s had it’s time, let’s put in the new stuff for the next hundred years.
Arne: If you get elected, what steps will you be able to take to help remediate and fix some of the poor decision making we’ve seen?
Rob: I think it’s multi layered answer.
There are Bellingen specific issues and that’s coming together with the Action Group, and bringing NBNCo to the table. If need be it’s chasing government money. The rough figure from the NBN Action Group is just under a million dollars to go back to the 50-kilometer radius from the 25-kilometer radius. I think that’s a job worth chasing as the local member.
More broadly I’m going to bang the fibre the premise drum as hard as I can. I’m going to jam it to both major political parties as to what the hell went wrong with good policy? Where have we gone off the rails here? And what can we do about it
Arne: It seems that regional areas getting hit by more of these negative impacts of NBNCo than urban areas which have significant investment into HFC and fibre to the curb. It seems the wrong way around – surely the plan was to roll in than roll out?
Rob: We argued that case. In fact, it was part of the negotiations in 2010. What the LNP did was for spite as much as anything else. “Torch the house” from those three years was the view, post 2013, of the incoming national party. They are not going to come near any ribbon cutting of anything that came out of that. We’re going to flip all the policy decisions, kill the carbon price. It was part of the agenda, and I also think there was an audience behind it at the time as well. There was a lot of noise in that parliament; it did create an audience, and so the angry mob with pitchforks were saying “yeah” to any of this stuff. But I think five years after that, people have seen “whoa, hang on”, there was policy logic behind some of these decisions at the time, and policy logic for the long term; not just for the populist crowd with pitchforks.
Arne: And now we’re seeing the results and impacts of short-term policy decision making?
Rob: We are, and it’s really impacting people’s lives. I’ve spoken to people today who are weighing up whether to leave Bellingen because they can’t run the business that they want to run, but which they can run from other parts of Australia. I’ve been speaking online with real estate agents who are selling houses in areas with good fibre connections and using that as a selling point. They are getting more money for those houses compared to houses that aren’t on a good fiber network. This has created a new divide in Australia. And a completely unnecessary divide, if we had just stuck with good evidence-based policy. Policy that would have built so many opportunities for so many people. We could have really been one of the first countries in the world to create this ex-urban generation. The flow on cost-benefits – we don’t have to build a 50 billion-dollar WestConnex, we don’t have to get caught up in viaducts for NorthConnex; we don’t have to worry about congestion in Sydney, because it starts to after itself.
Arne: Do you see links between the NBN fiasco and other infrastructure rollouts that have been happening or not happening in this area? For example, the Port Macquarie pool, the Coffs Harbour bypass being redesigned, possibly as a consequence of you entering the race? Do you see a common thread between all these different things in terms of infrastructure delivery of lack of investment in this region?
Rob: Yes, I do. I think there are a number of answers to that. One is that the major cities are where the population is and political parties go to where those major populations are, so essentially Sydney wins. It’s not just at the expense of other areas. It is at the expense of other areas. And we are that other area.
Arne: The nationals have disproportionate power in the house of representatives?
Rob: But they never use it.
I lived through 1 seat parliament from 2010 to 2013. What people quite often forget is what we’ve just been through, while I haven’t been in Parliament, is a one seat majority Parliament with every single member of parliament, including the sitting party member here, with exactly the same power that I had from 2010 to 2013. Was it used? No. Is it noisy if you do use it? Yes. But do you get results if you use it? Yes.
That’s the direct comparison, but unfortunately what happens is multi-billion dollar cost blowouts on road and rail in Sydney, stadium knockdowns and rebuilds – which is a luxury and indulgence – all at the expense of your 50-kilometer network and rolling out the NBN more broadly. That money could be used much better, and for more political gain, for all people involved if there was smaller investments in communities like ours, in a lot more areas, with a lot more equity.
Arne: On that topic, are you concerned by a lack of transparency and lack of published business cases for a lot of infrastructure projects coming that we’re seeing coming out of government now?
Rob: I think infrastructure Australia would say exactly that!
I think they have said that, actually. They are the body that is supposed to be in charge of the process of what does Australia need, and what’s the priority list and the work schedule to make it happen? They’re forever getting gazumped by a whole range of decisions. I’m all for process, but you know what? If it’s a political game, I’m all for calling out that game. If it means applying competition here locally to get our area bumped up the priority list, then damn it, I’ll do it! I think the system only has itself to blame for creating that monster!
Arne: Thanks for your time today Rob, is there anything you wanted to say in addition?
Rob: No, just let’s get the NBN fixed and vote Oakeshott!
Arne: OK, thanks very much.
Media contact: Arne Hansen via Facebook Group “Bellingen Shire NBN”
Audio available on request.




